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		<title>By: Joe Smith</title>
		<link>http://dpi.priv.gc.ca/index.php/essays/just-deliver-the-packets/comment-page-1/#comment-135</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fantastic piece on this issue. When this sort of thing started creeping up along with throttling practices, I contacted the CRTC for remedy. They were unwilling and apparently unable to do anything about it. I am glad that at least some people in Government understand the severity of this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fantastic piece on this issue. When this sort of thing started creeping up along with throttling practices, I contacted the CRTC for remedy. They were unwilling and apparently unable to do anything about it. I am glad that at least some people in Government understand the severity of this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://dpi.priv.gc.ca/index.php/essays/just-deliver-the-packets/comment-page-1/#comment-45</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:02:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi again folks,

In response to Daniel above: having worked in IT for many years, I understand the theory and practice of balancing loads.  

I don&#039;t know how your former employer set the students&#039; expecations, but in Bell&#039;s case, they want it both ways.  They want to sell a &quot;4 megabit&quot; (for example) service, but then not deliver that service when/if it suits them.   Is this a fair market practice?  Not to mention that at the heart of the assessment of suitability is an overt invasion of their  customers&#039; privacy!  How do these two wrongs make anything right???

And yes, I know what some of you are thinking: &quot;but the user agreement says that this might happen&quot;.  And fair enough, Bell has weaseled their way out of liability with clever legal gymnastics.  Still, shame on them for leading the race to the gutters, and woe to they who alienate their own customer base...especially in the current economic paradigm.

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi again folks,</p>
<p>In response to Daniel above: having worked in IT for many years, I understand the theory and practice of balancing loads.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how your former employer set the students&#8217; expecations, but in Bell&#8217;s case, they want it both ways.  They want to sell a &#8220;4 megabit&#8221; (for example) service, but then not deliver that service when/if it suits them.   Is this a fair market practice?  Not to mention that at the heart of the assessment of suitability is an overt invasion of their  customers&#8217; privacy!  How do these two wrongs make anything right???</p>
<p>And yes, I know what some of you are thinking: &#8220;but the user agreement says that this might happen&#8221;.  And fair enough, Bell has weaseled their way out of liability with clever legal gymnastics.  Still, shame on them for leading the race to the gutters, and woe to they who alienate their own customer base&#8230;especially in the current economic paradigm.</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://dpi.priv.gc.ca/index.php/essays/just-deliver-the-packets/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to Daniel&#039;s comment, I must say that using DPI as a solution for filtering is an overkill especially in a university network. Instead you could simply segregate your network and do regular load balancing on your pipes to ensure that you are always utilizing your network efficiently. This way you can promise each channel (service) a certain bandwidth and when that bandwidth is not used you can then up the limit on another more used service such as p2p. Yes p2p is primarily used for file sharing, but as a service provider your first mistake is that you dwell into what data is being served. That should not be your concern. Judging from what you said this is a highly useful service to many of your clients. Please do not forget that your paying clients are probably the students at the university, and if you get them upset they can retaliate back. This can lead to very bad consequences. You are limited to the proven and reliable tools available to you for filtering purposes, however your students are not and they can at any moment use encryption and a variety of other techniques to camouflage their traffic and send it down the regular stream. People come up with workarounds all the time and they are motivated even more when they feel they need to. 

I feel that the Canadian government should really put a stop to DPI. If it does not then it would simply create a community of angry citizens who would no longer feel like their government represents them and their principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Daniel&#8217;s comment, I must say that using DPI as a solution for filtering is an overkill especially in a university network. Instead you could simply segregate your network and do regular load balancing on your pipes to ensure that you are always utilizing your network efficiently. This way you can promise each channel (service) a certain bandwidth and when that bandwidth is not used you can then up the limit on another more used service such as p2p. Yes p2p is primarily used for file sharing, but as a service provider your first mistake is that you dwell into what data is being served. That should not be your concern. Judging from what you said this is a highly useful service to many of your clients. Please do not forget that your paying clients are probably the students at the university, and if you get them upset they can retaliate back. This can lead to very bad consequences. You are limited to the proven and reliable tools available to you for filtering purposes, however your students are not and they can at any moment use encryption and a variety of other techniques to camouflage their traffic and send it down the regular stream. People come up with workarounds all the time and they are motivated even more when they feel they need to. </p>
<p>I feel that the Canadian government should really put a stop to DPI. If it does not then it would simply create a community of angry citizens who would no longer feel like their government represents them and their principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://dpi.priv.gc.ca/index.php/essays/just-deliver-the-packets/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 13:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me give you the ISP side of the thing. I worked for a university campus.

They were offering internet to all of their rooms.

At the start there were no DPI (or traffic shaper).

Then P2P application came popular with the sharing of mp3 files, then came video with more and more needs for bandwidth.

At the time I left, if I let the traffig get out without any shaping 80% of the Internet traffic was for P2P applications (which unfortunately are mostly for illegal files transfer).

The effect on users wihtouth shaping :
Congestion for all other content, web, emails, games, voip. Because of all those P2P applications that was running 24/7 on some users PC (some are nor even aware that they are sharing).

So unfortunately we had to implement DPI (traffic shaping) to be able to slow down P2P content so that all of our users have an enjoyable service for other usage (web, email ...). At that point it was useless for us to add more bandwidth since it was getting eated up as soon as it was added.

In conclusion, the apearance of DPI is unfortunately like anything else in our society. There is &quot;bad&quot; behaving minotiry that do the majority of trouble, hence the implementation of control to try and limit the impact of those &quot;bad apples&quot; on the &quot;normal&quot; users.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me give you the ISP side of the thing. I worked for a university campus.</p>
<p>They were offering internet to all of their rooms.</p>
<p>At the start there were no DPI (or traffic shaper).</p>
<p>Then P2P application came popular with the sharing of mp3 files, then came video with more and more needs for bandwidth.</p>
<p>At the time I left, if I let the traffig get out without any shaping 80% of the Internet traffic was for P2P applications (which unfortunately are mostly for illegal files transfer).</p>
<p>The effect on users wihtouth shaping :<br />
Congestion for all other content, web, emails, games, voip. Because of all those P2P applications that was running 24/7 on some users PC (some are nor even aware that they are sharing).</p>
<p>So unfortunately we had to implement DPI (traffic shaping) to be able to slow down P2P content so that all of our users have an enjoyable service for other usage (web, email &#8230;). At that point it was useless for us to add more bandwidth since it was getting eated up as soon as it was added.</p>
<p>In conclusion, the apearance of DPI is unfortunately like anything else in our society. There is &#8220;bad&#8221; behaving minotiry that do the majority of trouble, hence the implementation of control to try and limit the impact of those &#8220;bad apples&#8221; on the &#8220;normal&#8221; users.</p>
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		<title>By: Mitchell Parnell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mitchell Parnell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 02:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The internet was created to be free and open. DPI just goes to show that &quot;free speech&quot; is a thing of the past. And besides, you pay for XXMbits down and you shoud recive the full speed, not just full speed on specified ports and packets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The internet was created to be free and open. DPI just goes to show that &#8220;free speech&#8221; is a thing of the past. And besides, you pay for XXMbits down and you shoud recive the full speed, not just full speed on specified ports and packets.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Wotten</title>
		<link>http://dpi.priv.gc.ca/index.php/essays/just-deliver-the-packets/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Wotten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 01:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This essay hits the nail on the head. 

Great point Patrick! What is currently happening to our internet IS equivalent Canada Post opening all of our mail and expediting items they deem to be of greater priority. I&#039;ve paid money to subscribe to a LEGAL (not violating any copyright laws) video on demand service and had my connection intercepted by Bell Canada after watching a few movies. This is not only a violation of my privacy and rights, but a blow to the internet economy, since I will no longer pay for services that my ISP will prevent me receiving.

How did this ever become legal and why is this conversation (about DPI) even taking place? GOVERNMENT OF CANADA: Please respect the internet economy and put an end to this violation of my rights as a consumer!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This essay hits the nail on the head. </p>
<p>Great point Patrick! What is currently happening to our internet IS equivalent Canada Post opening all of our mail and expediting items they deem to be of greater priority. I&#8217;ve paid money to subscribe to a LEGAL (not violating any copyright laws) video on demand service and had my connection intercepted by Bell Canada after watching a few movies. This is not only a violation of my privacy and rights, but a blow to the internet economy, since I will no longer pay for services that my ISP will prevent me receiving.</p>
<p>How did this ever become legal and why is this conversation (about DPI) even taking place? GOVERNMENT OF CANADA: Please respect the internet economy and put an end to this violation of my rights as a consumer!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerryw</title>
		<link>http://dpi.priv.gc.ca/index.php/essays/just-deliver-the-packets/comment-page-1/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerryw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 15:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://dpi.priv.gc.ca/index.php/essays/just-deliver-the-packets/comment-page-1/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comparison with mail delivery is interesting... 

Imagine: &quot;We at Canada Post are experiencing higher-than-normal volumes that are challenging our capacity and ability to provide effective service.  In an attempt to prioritize delivery, we have begun opening some/all letters to assess their value, and then deciding which letters to deliver first, and when we think the recipient will be interested, are also inserting flyers from some of our valued clients.&quot;

Surely there is legislation that provides remedy in cases where the post office has flagrantly breached the sanctity of someone&#039;s mail without cause?  Could such legislation not be used to &quot;take issue&quot; with the DPI-using ISP&#039;s, and terminate this offensive practice?

Patrick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comparison with mail delivery is interesting&#8230; </p>
<p>Imagine: &#8220;We at Canada Post are experiencing higher-than-normal volumes that are challenging our capacity and ability to provide effective service.  In an attempt to prioritize delivery, we have begun opening some/all letters to assess their value, and then deciding which letters to deliver first, and when we think the recipient will be interested, are also inserting flyers from some of our valued clients.&#8221;</p>
<p>Surely there is legislation that provides remedy in cases where the post office has flagrantly breached the sanctity of someone&#8217;s mail without cause?  Could such legislation not be used to &#8220;take issue&#8221; with the DPI-using ISP&#8217;s, and terminate this offensive practice?</p>
<p>Patrick</p>
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		<title>By: Radek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Radek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 13:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article which simply explains why we are in trouble. Unless you want the internet to become a 2way cable TV like network, where your choices are pre-screened for you by your content provider, call your MP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article which simply explains why we are in trouble. Unless you want the internet to become a 2way cable TV like network, where your choices are pre-screened for you by your content provider, call your MP!</p>
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